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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#61 Post by Omineca » Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:35 pm

For me:
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  • Overall build quality
  • Repairability
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I've been using ThinkPads since the T40-series.

Reading through the forums, I definitely see the complaints about the more recent models. They've served me well despite -- or because of -- all the changes.

I have a ThinkPad Yoga 260 that I bought to replace an employer-provided Dell Latitude. No, it's not a classic. But it's on year three and I use it every day in both laptop and tablet mode. The keyboard and pen input are both excellent, the screen is nice (if a bit small -- I use an external super-wide monitor a lot), and it handles all of this zoom business with ease.

I'll be back again.
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#62 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:13 am

Omineca wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:35 pm


I'll be back again.
I probably won't, as surprising as that may sound.

Once I (hopefully) retire and move from my current residence, there will be a desktop with some type of IBM/Lenovo keyboard in my future. The "classics" will be preserved, of course.
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#63 Post by dr_st » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:13 am
I probably won't, as surprising as that may sound.
I will, if and when they have another "anniversary" model with a proper 7-row keyboard. Until then, I have enough. :lol:
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#64 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:54 am

dr_st wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 am
I will, if and when they have another "anniversary" model with a proper 7-row keyboard. Until then, I have enough. :lol:
Touche... :thumbs-UP:
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#65 Post by iamdmc » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:54 am

dr_st wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 am
ajkula66 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:13 am
I probably won't, as surprising as that may sound.
I will, if and when they have another "anniversary" model with a proper 7-row keyboard. Until then, I have enough. :lol:
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#66 Post by Omineca » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:09 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:13 am
Omineca wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:35 pm


I'll be back again.
I probably won't, as surprising as that may sound.

Once I (hopefully) retire and move from my current residence, there will be a desktop with some type of IBM/Lenovo keyboard in my future. The "classics" will be preserved, of course.
That sounds like a good choice to me.

You often get more of everything for your money with a desktop, your choice of monitors, and there's a world of keyboards to choose from. I've been tempted to pick up one of those Lenovo/IBM laptop-esque keyboards (probably one of the old T40-ish ones), but I also really enjoy mechanical keyboards. There's a company called Unicomp (https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/SFNT) that produces the old IBM-style buckling spring keyboards, but I suspect that's fairly well known around here.

The other thing about moving to a desktop is that it might limit your screen time a bit, which is a good thing, I think.

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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#67 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:13 pm

Omineca wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:09 am
There's a company called Unicomp (https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/SFNT) that produces the old IBM-style buckling spring keyboards, but I suspect that's fairly well known around here.

The other thing about moving to a desktop is that it might limit your screen time a bit, which is a good thing, I think.
Well I believe everyone that loves model M keyboard knows about Unicomp. Whether they like Unicomp's revival of the Model M lineup it's up to the individuals really.
Omineca wrote:
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You often get more of everything for your money with a desktop, your choice of monitors, and there's a world of keyboards to choose from.
Well you just get more freedom to choose from in terms of parts really. If you want a 4:3 screen, you can easily hook up a modern desktop to a 4:3 Dell Ultrasharp monitor or even a viewsonic or Trinitron CRT. While on a laptop you gotta shout out an extra $100-200 of money just to get a T61 frankenpad over something like a highly specced T500 or Latitude E6500, unless you are into the 51nb custom made motherboards.
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#68 Post by ajkula66 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:32 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:13 pm

If you want a 4:3 screen, you can easily hook up a modern desktop to a 4:3 Dell Ultrasharp monitor or even a viewsonic or Trinitron CRT.
Colour me ignorant, but only recently did I find out that Eizo offers a 1:1 1920x1920 IPS monitor. That just might be what I've always been looking for, although I'd have to see one in person before parting with $1500 which is the going rate for that baby...
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#69 Post by Omineca » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:41 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:32 pm
I'd have to see one in person before parting with $1500 which is the going rate for that baby...
Definitely. That's significant money.

Knowing that an entire year of working from home was upon me, I bought an LG 29.5 ultra-wide monitor in the summer. CAD $300. With shortcut key window-snapping (Win+arrow keys), it's easy to get two squarish (7:6) windows side by side.
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#70 Post by RealBlackStuff » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:48 am

I'm still regretting that I sold my Northgate Omnikey/102 keyboard about 10 years ago.
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I had it for about 20 years and AFAIK I sold it for more than what I paid for it when new!
The only reason to sell it was, that all newer keyboards had their F-keys on top rather than on the left.
I especially liked its large Enter key.

No Thinkpad keyboard has come anywhere near its quality, although the T43 NMB was a close contender.
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Re: Why do people keep going back to Thinkpad?

#71 Post by dr_st » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:33 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:48 am
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I especially liked its large Enter key.
This is my favorite layout as well. Both Enter and Backspace are big, and the slash key conveniently takes a chunk out of the right Shift key, which is still plenty big enough. I find this layout the best of all by far, but it is not standard, which means keyboards using it are rather rare.
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