SacrificingLiberty and "the fire of war in the middle East"

[shawross]

So many "authorities" on the subject have been bought that you can't trust any of them.

This statement by Mike is the key to the problems around the world over the last 50 odd years and even before. They have been bought by money, elevated position and privileges.
Nothing points to this more accurately than "The Liberty". Understanding this will open your mind.

https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/

[cadillacmike68]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

[RealBlackStuff]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

You mean aftermath of WW2.
So I guess you don't know your history.

[cadillacmike68]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

You mean aftermath of WW2.
So I guess you don't know your history.

SORRY RBS, but bin laden himself takes it back to WWI when France and Great Britain carved the area up without regard to the locations of various ethnic groups, broke every promise they made to the arabs, and set everything in motion. This was 1919. Read about it.

[RealBlackStuff]

I was rather under the impression that it really started in 1948, when the State of Israel was founded, upsetting the West Bank, Gaza and other bordering countries.
OTOH, none of this has anything to do with the subject of this topic: Covid-19 Vaccine.

[dr_st]

I was rather under the impression that it really started in 1948, when the State of Israel was founded, upsetting the West Bank, Gaza and other bordering countries.

Then I am sorry to break it to you, but your impression is based on little knowledge and a lot of misconceptions.

As someone who has lived most of his life in Israel and studied the history of the region, from elementary school onwards, I can probably say with a good deal of safety that I know more about it than most of this forum's visitors; however, I am not interested in developing this topic, as these discussions tend to turn political and ugly very fast. I get enough of this at my immediate environment, and don't need to go looking for it abroad.

OTOH, none of this has anything to do with the subject of this topic: Covid-19 Vaccine.

Here you are 100% right, hence - split.

[karotlopj]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

It'a a funny thing is history... not static like some people think....

For example it was a fact according to history (in 1980) that the Germans massacred 30,000 Polish officers in Katyn in1940, BUT it is a fact according to history (in 2020) that it was the Russians who massacred those Polish officers.

It all depends on who writes the history books

[mpcook]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

Or you could blame the Romans for expelling the Jews about 2,000 years ago and naming the area "Palestine".

Or, you could argue it was the Ottoman Empire's decision to ally with Germany in WWI. You could go forward to blame the alliance of the Arabs with Nazi Germany in WWII.

Or to the partition of Palestine in 1947 and then repudiation by the Arab nations to accept a Palestinian homeland but to eject Jews from their borders and subsequently (for the next 70 years) to not accept Palestinian refugees into their boundaries.

Any of these instances could be the REAL fuse, but REALLY, there is no ONE fuse but many historical events going back millennia. So yes, know your history - Solution - do lots of critical reading and make up your own mind.

[ajkula66]

So yes, know your history - Solution - do lots of critical reading and make up your own mind.

No amount of reading will suffice in order of getting an outsider any closer to the truth IMO.

It will simply act as a weight towards one opinion, and many a times none at all.

Personally, I'm not going to pretend that I understand everything that has been going on there for a zillion years. I do, however, know which side in the argument I support, even if I'm not always in 100% agreement with its policies on daily basis.

My $0.02 only...

[shawross]

[shawross]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/isra ... U0b6Fw8U08



'I am outraged at what the Zionists are doing. I am outraged at the media and their distortions'

- Shatzi Weisberger, Jewish American activist

God bless her.

[cadillacmike68]

The REAL fuse that lit the fire of war inn the middle east was the euro-meddling in the region in the aftermath of WW1 and the broken promises to the arabs.

Either you know your history or you don't.

It'a a funny thing is history... not static like some people think....

For example it was a fact according to history (in 1980) that the Germans massacred 30,000 Polish officers in Katyn in1940, BUT it is a fact according to history (in 2020) that it was the Russians who massacred those Polish officers.

It all depends on who writes the history books

Apply some intelligence here.

Any 1980s (or earlier) statement from the ruskies can be discounted 100%.

This massacre was committed by the soviets, and it is only the tip of the iceberg with regards to what the soviets did to the Poles.

It doesn't excuse the nazis from what they did, but stalin was as worse or worse than hitler. The only difference was that stalin couldn't expand his barbarism beyond his borders and did not have the ability to enlarge his borders via aggressive war like hitler did. But wherever the red army and NKVD was (1939-41 in eastern Poland and 1944-45 all of eastern Europe) atrocities were as likely as rain in the monsoon season. Most of the Polish soldier fighting alongside the Allies in the west DID NOT want to return to Poland after the war, and they had VERY GOOD reasons to not ant to go.

Same with moose dung, again limited to his borders what what a mess inside.

[karotlopj]

It'a a funny thing is history... not static like some people think....

For example it was a fact according to history (in 1980) that the Germans massacred 30,000 Polish officers in Katyn in1940, BUT it is a fact according to history (in 2020) that it was the Russians who massacred those Polish officers.

It all depends on who writes the history books

Apply some intelligence here.

Any 1980s (or earlier) statement from the ruskies can be discounted 100%.

This massacre was committed by the soviets, and it is only the tip of the iceberg with regards to what the soviets did to the Poles.

It doesn't excuse the nazis from what they did, but stalin was as worse or worse than hitler. The only difference was that stalin couldn't expand his barbarism beyond his borders and did not have the ability to enlarge his borders via aggressive war like hitler did. But wherever the red army and NKVD was (1939-41 in eastern Poland and 1944-45 all of eastern Europe) atrocities were as likely as rain in the monsoon season. Most of the Polish soldier fighting alongside the Allies in the west DID NOT want to return to Poland after the war, and they had VERY GOOD reasons to not ant to go.

Same with moose dung, again limited to his borders what what a mess inside.

Actually Stalin did extend his barbarism beyond his borders, albeit with the tacit support of Churchill and Roosevelt who allowed the Bolshevik empire to extend over the whole of Eastern Europe in the guise of the Warsaw Pact. Poland was actually under military occupation for 50 years from 1939 to 1989. So much for the 'British assurance to Poland' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Pol ... _to_Poland

What is hardly known about the war is that Polish armed forces were the fourth largest group fighting Hitler and many of those fighting alongside the Soviets (Zolnierze wyklecy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers, in the hope of liberating their country were subsequently murdered or imprisoned.

[cadillacmike68]

Apply some intelligence here.

Any 1980s (or earlier) statement from the ruskies can be discounted 100%.

This massacre was committed by the soviets, and it is only the tip of the iceberg with regards to what the soviets did to the Poles.

It doesn't excuse the nazis from what they did, but stalin was as worse or worse than hitler. The only difference was that stalin couldn't expand his barbarism beyond his borders and did not have the ability to enlarge his borders via aggressive war like hitler did. But wherever the red army and NKVD was (1939-41 in eastern Poland and 1944-45 all of eastern Europe) atrocities were as likely as rain in the monsoon season. Most of the Polish soldier fighting alongside the Allies in the west DID NOT want to return to Poland after the war, and they had VERY GOOD reasons to not ant to go.

Same with moose dung, again limited to his borders what what a mess inside.

Actually Stalin did extend his barbarism beyond his borders, albeit with the tacit support of Churchill and Roosevelt who allowed the Bolshevik empire to extend over the whole of Eastern Europe in the guise of the Warsaw Pact. Poland was actually under military occupation for 50 years from 1939 to 1989. So much for the 'British assurance to Poland' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Pol ... _to_Poland

What is hardly known about the war is that Polish armed forces were the fourth largest group fighting Hitler and many of those fighting alongside the Soviets (Zolnierze wyklecy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers, in the hope of liberating their country were subsequently murdered or imprisoned.

Ummm..... I mentioned that earlier (bolded text).

Not hardly known to me.

wikipedia is now down the left wing "drain hole" AFAIAC.

Yeah the British shortchanged the Polish at the end, but what could they do with the 5 million man red army firmly ensconced in Poland & eastern Europe.