Is T450/T450s a good replacement for X220?

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mschaffer · #31 Post by **mschaffer** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:15 am

The T450s is as good of a ThinkPad as any to replace the X220.
It's only slightly bigger and heavier. However, you may miss the old keyboard arrangement with the more traditional Delete/End/Home/Pg up/Pg dn and the much better TouchPoint device. Of course, you cannot even get these on the X230, let alone the X240 or X250.

hyde · #32 Post by **hyde** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:54 pm

mschaffer wrote:The T450s is as good of a ThinkPad as any to replace the X220.
It's only slightly bigger and heavier. However, you may miss the old keyboard arrangement with the more traditional Delete/End/Home/Pg up/Pg dn and the much better TouchPoint device. Of course, you cannot even get these on the X230, let alone the X240 or X250.

I am not complaining about the keyboard, other than missing dedicated F row (or dedicated volume buttons) I am happy with other changes, especially removing forward/back buttons from the directional pad, that's welcome change.
If I can just get rid of this auto-brightness adjustment, I'll be much happier.

Trackpoint is visibly worse, it's nowhere near as sensitive it's as if I went from a high dpi mouse to low one and it likes to fly from point to point, and it lacks the fine touch my X220 had, also I may be imagining this but did the distance from J to trackpoint increase?

Hey, at least they brought back the 3 button trackpad.

#33 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:04 pm

Admit it, your T450s is a dud!

hyde · #34 Post by **hyde** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:57 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Admit it, your T450s is a dud!

And I need this great community's help to figure out why. (I wouldn't call it a dud, it feels like a racing horse held back by boulder on wheels or a Lamborghini trying to tow a trailer) It's weird, but let's keep that in that thread.

#35 Post by **RealBlackStuff** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:14 pm

There are almost 40 different motherboards for the T450s alone!
Maybe I should have called it a Lemon, or it was assembled on the Monday morning after Chinese New Year (which lasts 23 days!).

Either way/name, I hope you'll get it sorted eventually.

Hans Gruber · #36 Post by **Hans Gruber** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:18 pm

Do you have any Crystal DiskMark benches for the drive in your T450 that you could post?

mschaffer · #37 Post by **mschaffer** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:48 pm

RealBlackStuff wrote:Admit it, your T450s is a dud!

In my opinion, all of the current ThinkPad keyboards are on the border of dud status.

ajkula66 · #38 Post by **ajkula66** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:10 pm

mschaffer wrote: In my opinion, all of the current ThinkPad keyboards are on the border of dud status.

And in my opinion, you good sir are being way too kind...

hyde · #39 Post by **hyde** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:34 pm

Hans Gruber wrote:Do you have any Crystal DiskMark benches for the drive in your T450 that you could post?

Hi,
Here are some of the results from tests after different environments and after different periods of working on thinkpad.
http://i.gyazo.com/83aa5d654f9733c03df8534a22c60744.png
http://i.gyazo.com/91c0793d1ebdbbee334bd41c0146bab7.png
http://i.gyazo.com/2a6bfa73a137937b350d9cfab5a359c2.png

More info on that in this thread: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=118450

hyde · #40 Post by **hyde** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:36 pm

mschaffer wrote:
RealBlackStuff wrote:Admit it, your T450s is a dud!
In my opinion, all of the current ThinkPad keyboards are on the border of dud status.

I am somewhat OK with the keyboard but unfortunately the trackpoint is really miserable compared to the trackpoint on my X220.
Otherwise, unless keyboard gets worse overtime, it's actually easier to type on this because it requires less pressure.

Puppy · #41 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:18 pm

T450s with Windows 10 preloaded = stuck in setup loop. Is there any Lenovo QA department ?

#42 Post by **dr_st** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:11 pm

Is it your expectation that the QA department will catch every possible cause of failure on every single unit? Or is there evidence that this particular failure is affecting a non-negligible number of devices?

Puppy · #43 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:03 pm

dr_st wrote:Is it your expectation that the QA department will catch every possible cause of failure on every single unit? Or is there evidence that this particular failure is affecting a non-negligible number of devices?

Single unit, no. Currently it is two devices with similar issues in two weeks reported.

Puppy · #44 Post by **Puppy** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:24 am

T450s is affected by image retention issue as well https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Change-The ... p/2232288/

hyde · #45 Post by **hyde** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:13 pm

Puppy wrote:T450s is affected by image retention issue as well https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Change-The ... p/2232288/

No IPS/retention problems so far on my T450s.

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